Another bonehead coaching decision......

[HinesWard86]

Down by 22 you go for two after the touchdown, that way if you get it you need just two more td's and two more xp's, and if you don't get it you are down 16 and can still tie it up with two td's and two 2-pt conversions.

If you don't go for two after that first TD and miss later than you need another score. Would be fitting if Detroit lost this game by two because their coach can't count.

 

[Buster]

respectfully disagree..i think they are in better position now

 

[HinesWard86]

respectfully disagree..i think they are in better position now

Buster how would they be in a better position? If you go for it and dont get it after the first td, you are still only down two scores. If you go for it and dont get it after the second or third td, than you are down an extra score.

The decision is made even clearer when GB jumped offsides after that first TD. You need the 2 pts and that is the best time to get it and you are half the distance closer and you dont go. Just nonsensical.

 

[steaktartar]

respectfully disagree..i think they are in better position now

I AGREE...... you onyly want to use the two when u have too.....down 22 you go one then one and then two because if u miss the two twice your last td is obsolete

 

[michael777]

I AGREE...... you onyly want to use the two when u have too.....down 22 you go one then one and then two because if u miss the two twice your last td is obsolete

agree,you do not go for 2 until you have to

 

[wilheim]

Going for one down 22 is the right move because a miss can cause you to changl your stradegy from there on out. Kicking the extra point to go down 15 still left them two scores from a tie and only one has to require a two point conversion. You miss the two point conversion on the first TD and now you need two 8 point scores which can be daunting.

Bottom line is you need one two point conversion out of the three touchdowns you need to tie the game, so go for the two at any one of the three.

Personally I would have waited for the third TD which became a moot point because The Lions Defense was gassed and gave up another field goal to settle the issue by putting the Lions down by 11 extremely late in the game..

The key in those last five minutes was for the Lion Defense to step up and they couldn't.



wil.

 

[totalsquare]

I would have gone for 2 after that offsides on the 2nd td...though i agree you only go for 2 when necessary, otherwise you'll spend the whole game(not in this case) chasing that point...

 

[5starbomb]

I would have gone for 2 after that offsides on the 2nd td...though i agree you only go for 2 when necessary, otherwise you'll spend the whole game(not in this case) chasing that point...

Yeah I agree I would have went for 1 but after the offsides penalty the 2nd time I would have ran Duckett or QB sneak for the 2 pt conversion

 

[mrhognuts2]

hinesward,to go for 2,at that point,would have been the dumbest thing in the world for det to do.from a psycholgical perspective,if they dont make it,the game is over...im just guessin,but i think you had too much on this game....now lets go eat some sweet potato pie!!! 'keep the continue'

 

[mamatried]

Down by 22 you go for two after the touchdown, that way if you get it you need just two more td's and two more xp's, and if you don't get it you are down 16 and can still tie it up with two td's and two 2-pt conversions.

If you don't go for two after that first TD and miss later than you need another score. Would be fitting if Detroit lost this game by two because their coach can't count.

WROOONNNGGG. Never go for two unless you have to. Odds are you are not going to make it, so keep the pressure on the other side and the momentum on your side.

 

[HinesWard86]

Going for one down 22 is the right move because a miss can cause you to changl your stradegy from there on out. Kicking the extra point to go down 15 still left them two scores from a tie and only one has to require a two point conversion. You miss the two point conversion on the first TD and now you need two 8 point scores which can be daunting.

Bottom line is you need one two point conversion out of the three touchdowns you need to tie the game, so go for the two at any one of the three.

Personally I would have waited for the third TD which became a moot point because The Lions Defense was gassed and gave up another field goal to settle the issue by putting the Lions down by 11 extremely late in the game..

The key in those last five minutes was for the Lion Defense to step up and they couldn't.



wil.

Sure it is daunting to get those extra two td's and two point conversions if you miss after the first td, but at least you still have a chance.

My point is if you go after the first td and miss, you are still only down two scores and it doesnt change what you need. If you go after the second or third tds and miss, then you need an extra score.

If you make it after any of the TDs you are golden, but if you miss after the first TD at least it doesn't change how many scores you are down. Whereas if you miss after the second or third TD's you definitely will need an extra score.

 

[wilheim]

Hw

If you make it after any of the TDs you are golden, but if you miss after the first TD at least it doesn't change how many scores you are down. Whereas if you miss after the second or third TD's you definitely will need an extra score.<!-- / message -->

If you go for 1 after the first TD and make it you are down 15, then you go for one after the second TD and make it you are down 8. Then it comes down to a final TD that you are the longest shot to even score to begin with, making it the logical choice to go for two with. Should you get that third TD you are down by two after scoring it (if you ever do) and have around a 50/50 shot of tieing the game at that point by finally trying and making a two point conversion..

You never put yourself in the position of having to make two two point conversions if you wait until the third TD (assuming the opposition does no further scoring) to go for two.

Natrually if there is a half the distance to the goal penalty on a one point try in your favor during any of the earlier PATs that changes the thinking because of the difficulty factor decreasing with the closer ball spot.


wil.

 

[jjgold]

Detroit is horrible and back to their old ways, they shot their load already.

 

[billhill999]

I AGREE...... you onyly want to use the two when u have too.....down 22 you go one then one and then two because if u miss the two twice your last td is obsolete

Agree, if you fail the 2 pt conversion in that spot, you are down 9, making it a two possession game.

 

[HinesWard86]

If you go for 1 after the first TD and make it you are down 15, then you go for one after the second TD and make it you are down 8. Then it comes down to a final TD that you are the longest shot to even score to begin with, making it the logical choice to go for two with. Should you get that third TD you are down by two after scoring it (if you ever do) and have around a 50/50 shot of tieing the game at that point by finally trying and making a two point conversion..

You never put yourself in the position of having to make two two point conversions if you wait until the third TD (assuming the opposition does no further scoring) to go for two.

Natrually if there is a half the distance to the goal penalty on a one point try in your favor during any of the earlier PATs that changes the thinking because of the difficulty factor decreasing with the closer ball spot.


wil.

wil, i guess we're just gonna have to disagree on this one.

IMO it all boils down to you still have a chance to tie it in three scores if you miss after the first TD, but have no chance to tie it in three scores if you miss after the second or third TD

No I didn't bet on this game, just think that not going for two there is illogical.

Happy Thanksgiving to all

 

[CollegeFan]

wil, i guess we're just gonna have to disagree on this one.

IMO it all boils down to you still have a chance to tie it in three scores if you miss after the first TD, but have no chance to tie it in three scores if you miss after the second or third TD

No I didn't bet on this game, just think that not going for two there is illogical.

Happy Thanksgiving to all

Hines -- you are absolutely and 100% correct here.

Plus, you always go for 2 first, because you know what you need -- and you can adjust your strategy accordingly.

 

[mrhognuts2]

wil, i guess we're just gonna have to disagree on this one.

IMO it all boils down to you still have a chance to tie it in three scores if you miss after the first TD, but have no chance to tie it in three scores if you miss after the second or third TD

No I didn't bet on this game, just think that not going for two there is illogical.

Happy Thanksgiving to all

hinesward,youve got to look at it the same way a coach would,not a gambler.if they dont make it,theyre down down 2 touchdowns and 2 extra point trys. the game would be over...now let go eat some punkin pie! 'keep the continue'

 

[steaktartar]

and im sorry i ever entered this thread.......ive argued with guys before about this u cant convince them

 

[billhill999]

People who usually state "you have no clue, have no clue themselves.

 

[HinesWard86]

big letters just make you look stupider when you are wrong......if u go for two and miss and go for two again and miss your third td is meaningless

and the third td is meaningless if you go for two and dont get it after the second or third td. at least if you miss after the first td you still have a chance, if you miss after the second or third you dont. what am i missing?